Comments on: The University of Chicago’s politics in 1950

By: eli

eli — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:57:20 +0000

Thanks for the info, Tim! One can only assume that perhaps the Maroon was more sympathetic to the communists than the student body at large. As for (2), if you read the rest of the interview, I think it’s safe to say that Rorty’s comments fit in well with his more general political outlook, so I think his remarks about UChicago should probably be interpreted in that context too.

By: Tim Lacy

Tim Lacy — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:29:40 +0000

I claim no certain knowledge here, but having studied the careers of Robert M. Hutchins and Mortimer J. Adler quite deeply, I can say a few things:

1. Walgreen and his ilk became concerned about communism on the campus, first in the 1930s, in part, because the great books/honors courses required the reading of Marx and Engels.
2. Adler and Hutchins were linked to all sorts of things by period conservatives because of their sympathies with world federal gov’t. This may have helped foster a aura of liberal views/communist sympathies on campus.
3. Adler and Hutchins complained most loudly about student apathy during the 1930s especially. I don’t recall either of them complaining, per their biographies (Hutchins via Dzuback and Ashmore) and autogiographies (Adler had two), about student communists.

Now some questions:

1. What of the sympathies of Maroon writers and editors versus the campus student body in general?
2. Is it not possible that Rorty is simply bitter over a failed student gov’t initiative? I mean, we have a tendency to remember the most dramatic things in relation to our personal situations.

– Tim

By: eli

eli — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 19:58:44 +0000

Hi Max,
Yes, there is no doubt that there has been a general shift in American political culture since the 60s! I’m not sure if summing it up as a “generational social” issue completely does justice to the apparent political radicalism of the times, but I’m sure we pretty much agree and I have no desire to quibble. At any rate, your and Moacir’s comments persuade me that just thinking about the changing local situation at UChicago is too limited an analytical framework. The interesting research question, I guess, would be about how the broader changes in national culture and politics played out locally — it would be interesting to have a chronology of the decline and end of 60s radicalism on campus, a study of the growth of newly professionally-oriented students (a huge fraction are now econ majors) and the politics of that… etc. But I have no desire to actually do that study myself so I guess we’re stuck with speculation for the time being!

By: Max

Max — Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:39:56 +0000

I’m guessing a good number of college campuses were far more politicalized/radicalized in those days than they are now, and that this perhaps represents a general shift, rather than just a shift at U of Chicago. The counter-cultural movement would have been strong enough to infiltrate many loci of power, because at the end of the day, it wasn’t really about immediate politics, per se (though it certainly commented on that). It’s was about generational social politics. America has since then absorbed and “become” (i.e. spit out as “American culture”) the counter-culture, thus the counter-culture has ground to a stop. (I feel another wave coming on, though.)

By: Moacir

Moacir — Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:57:19 +0000

You’re asking for a dangerous amount of speculation. I’ll say this, though. The story we told ourselves in the 90s, at least that I remember, was that we were in general apolitical because of how seriously we took our academics. College was a place to go *learn*, not dabble in activism. In my dorm freshman year, some students had even calculated the cost of each class, and they’d criticize others for throwing money away by cutting, etc. So not only were we missing ed opps, but also wasting money, since the tuition cost was exclusively for learning–not a larger “uni” experience. If people wanted to be activists, that was cool, too, but it wasn’t “cool.”

College expansion was the first time I saw large student involvement in a political matter, and, of course, it was uofc specific. The main fear of expansion was that it would make the UofC less special–both by forcing us to share our resources more widely, but also by accepting less uofc-y students. The funny thing is that these “less uofc-y students” have struck me as more politically motivated than their often anti-social, bookish predecessors. There was way more Kerry organization on campus than Clinton organization in 96.

Where in the US could SDS pull off what they did in the 60s these days?

By: eli

eli — Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:40:15 +0000

OK. Leaving aside exactly how many communist sympathizers there were in 1948… it seems to me that the undergrad body we know today would be impossible to mobilize in the way SDS mobilized there in the 1960s. Do you have any thoughts on why the U of C undergrads would have shifted politically between the 1960s and, say, the 1990s when you arrived on the scene? I know people always talk about the decision (not sure when it was?) to increase the size of the college and the arrival of more “conventional” students that went with it.

Although I suppose we have to take into account also that the 1960s were a historically and politically very different era from the 2010s… that obviously has an impact on the student body too.

By: Moacir

Moacir — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:23:20 +0000

Well, I basically meant in code there was the fact that UofC was accepting people who were still having difficulty getting into the Ivy League, either because of their gender, religion, or social standing. I guess H, P, & Y started opening up in the 50s already, but this was still the UofC of 16 year old Susan Sontag, remember.

Where to get actual *numbers*, I don’t know. The UofC has published several histories about itself, but they’re all in the Reg.

By: eli

eli — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:23:13 +0000

Do you know where to get demographic information about the students of that period?

By: Moacir

Moacir — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:20:01 +0000

Urban renewal can’t be considered to mirror the cares and concerns of the students, too.

By: Moacir

Moacir — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:18:35 +0000

Don’t be too skeptical, though. From what I’ve read, rortys take on the Maroon rings totally true. As for SG, it’s a fiction to say it accurately represents the actual student body. Don’t use the 40-2 number, but use the “just less commie than ccny” number. No one would say ccny was 100% commies in the 50s. I think that some demographic considerations about who was going to the uofC in the 1950s would be good to keep in mind!

By: eli

eli — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:12:11 +0000

In other words, I guess I am very skeptical of narratives that would cast the university as ever having been politically monolithic, and especially as monolithically “left.”

By: eli

eli — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:11:16 +0000

Hey, thanks for the support! Let's make a distinction here, though, between there being some degree of pro-communist presence on campus in the 50s, which I have no reason to doubt, and it being a completely communist campus, which I find difficult to believe. Again, the gist of that maroon article I linked about the admin building takeover in 1969 is that there were various reasons for the sit-in, not all the students were radicals, some of them (*cliche alert*) were ostensibly just doing politics to get laid (or so their professors wanted to think), etc. There's no doubt that radicals get preferential media attention, but what was the student body as a whole really like, sociologically speaking? Not sure where to find good data on this. One counternarrative to the "commies!" meme: let's recall that this was the era of the university's racist urban "renewal" projects. Which have never sounded too radical to me...

By: Moacir

Moacir — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:04:43 +0000

Sorry for missing the reference to the building occupation 🙂

By: Moacir

Moacir — Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:03:31 +0000

I can vouch for it, having read old maroons from that time. The paper sent students to communist congresses in Europe, etc. In fact, it was even radical into the 60s, with students taking over the administration building.

But UofC has always been idiosyncratic. In the 50s that meant being pro-commie. And so on.