Comments on: Race and white dominance in American anthropology https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/ critical anthropology of academic culture Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:57:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.8.1 By: Twitter hashtag #AAA09 for AAA meetings… « Erkan's Field Diary https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1117 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:57:45 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1117 […] Race and white dominance in American anthropology from decasia: critique of academic culture by eli […]

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By: Elina Hartikainen https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1116 Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:19:07 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1116 Hi Eli,

Thanks for sharing this with us! I agree with Michael, I would be interested to see how your figures compare across disciplines as well in relation to PhDs afforded to different groups in general.

But actually what I was even more curious about is whether you had an idea on how to bring in “class”? I’d suspect that if you were to ask, most people would respond they were middle class (if you could get them to respond of course), since to my understanding the majority of Americans consider themselves to be middle class. One of my professors once joked about how at an University Chicago alumni event he’d asked the alumni what class they considered themselves to be. Almost all of them self-identified as middle class, even though many of them made well over $100,000/year, and had substantial assets.

So, how would you unpack the category of the middle class then? Would you ask people about their parents’ income level? Or education level? Or what stores they shop at for clothes, food?

Here in Brazil with race- and “class”-base affirmative action finally setting in at most universities, the “quotas” are filled by students who have gone through public middle and high schools, and whose family income is below a certain level, and who self-identify as black (unlike the US, this is often a much less self-evident category than class in Brazil).

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By: Michael Bishop https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1115 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:33:10 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1115 Yes, some survey research is certainly possible using only volunteers. 45% is a fairly high response rate, given the nature of the study, but still low in an absolute sense. I haven’t given much thought to this but we might think about how the writers of the survey are highly constrained in what they might ask, time consuming or controversial questions might kill their response rate.

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By: eli https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1114 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:42:00 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1114 Well, there does appear to be successful survey research on these topics, based on sampling individuals (not departments). The big survey of social science phds that I know of, by CIRGE, had a 45% response rate (sample size of 3025). They believed that the responding group was skewed towards those who had stayed in academia and not gone into the private sector…

http://depts.washington.edu/cirgeweb/c/wp-admin/publications/142

I don’t know anything about sample research; is a 45% response rate considered decent?

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By: Michael Bishop https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1113 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:23:35 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1113 ok, I checked the box to be notified of follow up comments via email. My guess is that if you send voluntary surveys to departments, many departments will neglect or downright refuse to fill them out. They never asked me my class background, so they would be unable to answer that question. If the surveys go to individual students the non-response problem will be even worse.

I don’t think 100% of an attempt to increase diversity in anthropology comes at the expense of other social sciences, but some portion probably does. Another large chunk comes at the expense of diversity in business, politics, etc.

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By: eli https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1112 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:02:38 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1112 Note to self: according to Inside Higher Ed, doctoral production has “ebbed” this year…
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/11/20/doctorate
and there have also been controversies over data handling:
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/04/24/data

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By: eli https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1111 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:35:36 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1111 Thanks, Mike. Frankly, I’m still somewhat stunned by these numbers. I knew that phds are fairly unusual in the world, but I wouldn’t have guessed that any major ethnic group would be in the double digits, yearly, across the nation. Yeah, it would be interesting to know whether there’s a zero-sum situation across social science disciplines; my instinct is not necessarily, but I guess you’d have to check. A good follow-up post might examine a particular racial group across different social science disciplines… not that I have time to write that just now.

But yes, I definitely support increased collection of data about class backgrounds 😉 I don’t know if I am inherently in favor of nation-wide reporting, though; can’t you find this stuff out through good surveys also? What are the costs/benefits of mandatory reporting vs survey research?

(ps I finally added an option to subscribe to the comments on a post — can you try it and let me know if it works?)

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By: Michael Bishop https://decasia.org/academic_culture/2009/11/22/race-and-white-dominance-in-american-anthropology/#comment-1110 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:56:43 +0000 http://decasia.org/academic_culture/?p=998#comment-1110 Thanks for sharing this analysis Eli,

I definitely think looking at other disciplines would help put things in perspective. If one more black anthropologist means one less black sociologist, then its unclear which would be better. The strong increase in the number of BAs to blacks is interesting. I’d also like to see the trend in degree productions for whites. If you think the NSFs data are “outrageously silent” on students class background, then I take it you wish universities were required to report this data? 😉

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